The actual Battalion Flag

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The actual Battalion Flag

Postby Niner Alpha » Sat May 02, 2015 9:11 pm

Colonel Jack Logan has the 6th battalion flag now on loan from the family of Col. Gearin our last battalion commander. It's the actual personal flag brought home by Col Gearin and not as dramatic as the Regiment Flag. We'll see it at the reunion. That's a "6" in the corner and not a "G"for Gearin.

It is a banner without any opening for a staff. It measures 45/12 inches by 35 inches counting the fringe. I would like to see it displayed on a wall but don't want to put any holes in it. You men can probably come up with something.
Best regards, Jack.
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Re: The actual Battalion Flag

Postby Niner Alpha » Sat May 02, 2015 10:29 pm

The "actual" battalion flag is probably on some shelf in a archive someplace never to be seen again by anybody who served under it while it was a symbol with any meaning. You can see a part of it here in this photo from the Blue Book behind Col. Carlson. But ... Lt. Col Cornelius Gearin was the battalion commander when all of us who served in 1970 were there and to see the flag he personally had and took home and kept to remember his service is as close to the real thing as we are going to get. And.... it is a real relic of that time ... maybe more real than the actual flag.... all things considered.
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Re: The actual Battalion Flag

Postby Niner Alpha » Mon May 11, 2015 1:53 pm

Went looking to see what I could find out about the official issued battalion flag. You might read these responses from the bottom up. The top one tells it all though. Nobody in the military archive business knows where it is.


Sir:

Technically, when a unit inactivates the heraldic material is to be turned in
as it is property of the Army. It is possible that in 1970 the heraldic
property was turned in then re-issued in 1975.

I have no means to determine what happened to the 1970's battalion colors.

Regards.

Leslie


Leslie M. Rankin-Ryan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Stewart [mailto:x9eralpha@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 10:17 AM
To: Ryan, Leslie M CIV USARMY CMH (US)
Cc: Bogan, Alan T CIV USARMY CMH (US); Jerry White
Subject: Re: Question about a particular Battalion Flag that was with an
active unit in Vietnam

Thanks for the reply. Yet... the question remains. Where would it
be? Also, would the same actual flag as first made for the battalion
during the Vietnam War have been taken out of moth balls some place and
re issued to the re-activated unit at Ft. Ord in 1975? Could it be
that the last commander of an active battalion using the 6th of the 31st
designation have kept it?

Robert Stewart



On 5/11/2015 9:59 AM, Ryan, Leslie M CIV USARMY CMH (US) wrote:
> Mr. Stewart:
>
> There is no heraldic or unit property stored for the 6th Battalion,
> 31st Infantry stored at the Clearinghouse.
>
> Regards
>
> Leslie
>
>
> Leslie M. Rankin-Ryan
> Supervisory Curator/ARO
> Museum Support Center-Anniston
> ANAD
>
> 256-235-4243
> DSN 571-4243
>
> leslie.m.ryan2.civ@mail.mil
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: USARMY Ft McNair CMH Mailbox Answers
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:51 AM
> To: Ryan, Leslie M CIV USARMY CMH (US)
> Cc: Bogan, Alan T CIV USARMY CMH (US); USARMY Ft McNair CMH Mailbox
> Answers
> Subject: FW: Question about a particular Battalion Flag that was with
> an active unit in Vietnam
>
> Leslie -- Please see the request below. Do you have anything in storage?
> Please let me know if you want to reply directly to Mr. Stewart or
> send a reply through CMH ANSWERS.
>
> The 6th Battalion, 31st Infantry was inactivated 13 October 1970 at
> Fort Lewis, Washington, but reactivated 21 November 1975 at Fort Ord,
> California, under the 7th Infantry Division. The battalion was then
> inactivated 6 August
> 1980 at Fort Ord, California, but once again activated 1 June 1981 at
> Fort Irwin, California, until its last inactivation 16 January 1988.
>
> Thanks and regards!
>
> Steve
> (on behalf of CMH ANSWERS)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Stewart [mailto:x9eralpha@comcast.net]
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 4:36 PM
> To: USARMY Ft McNair CMH Mailbox Answers
> Subject: Question about a particular Battalion Flag that was with an
> active unit in Vietnam
>
> I'm involved as chairman of a reunion of former members of the 6th
> battalion of the 31st Infantry in June of this year at Branson
> Missouri. The actual 9th Division battalion was deactivated upon
> withdrawing from Vietnam in September, or possibly officially October
> of 1970 at Ft. Lewis, Washington. We have coming to the reunion a Battalion
> flag that was the personal flag of Lt. Col.
> Cornelius Gearin who was the last battalion commander that couldn't
> have been the actual official flag. But what I'd like to know is what
> happened to the actual 6th Battalion of the 31st Infantry flag.
>
> I do know the battalion designation was revived in possibly two short
> time frames after the war and for different assignments other than
> straight leg infantry. Don't know if the same flag from Vietnam was
> taken out of retirement or if a new flag was made. Is it stored some place?
>
> Anything you could tell me about it would be information I would pass
> on to others I served with. I have a website on the subject of the
> 6th of the 31st at 6thofthe31st.com.
>
> Could I get a photo of it good enough to see the detail?
>
> Thanks for any information you can give.
>
>
> Robert Stewart
>
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Re: The actual Battalion Flag

Postby Niner Alpha » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:08 pm

Col. Gearin's flag made it to Branson.
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Re: The actual Battalion Flag

Postby Niner Alpha » Thu Oct 27, 2016 11:41 pm

I sent a message to my House of Representative guy Bradley Byrne asking him if he could find out if the actual battalion flag still exists and if it does where it is and explaining what I did in the previous posts in attempting to find out this information. This was several months ago on a wild hair notion. Out of the blue I got a phone call yesterday. It was somebody on the Congressman's staff. He said he made some inquiries and said the Army only releases flags to Army units. I said...great ...but that's not what I was interested in. I didn't want the flag. I only wanted to know if it still existed some place and where that place was. I personally had the feeling that the flag was kept by one of the later short term stateside unit commanders or sold at a government clearance sale....or just on some forgotten shelf in a warehouse somewhere. He said he would continue to seek an answer for me.

I'm not holding my breath. The best ultimate outcome would be if it is found in some particularly identifiable location.... the 31st Association with it's retired fast aging general.. admittedly from the 4th Battalion .. would have enough pull to get it to a 31st Reunion...maybe. However... the 31st Association does not inspire any hope nor confidence that it will even continue into the future and the fast aging general probably could care less. So.. this is all a fool's errand in any case.

Now if you are reading this... and if you have a Congressman or Senator... and if you know his name and can get to his online site... and if you have nothing better to do one day... send him or her or them a message asking what happened to the flag. If enough politician's staff members, with nothing much else to do, get asked the question, maybe there will be a real answer... even though none of the 6/31st that still lives will likely ever set eyes on it again. And....this isn't about the flag..it's what it represents... particularly the guys that died while serving with the battalion in Vietnam in a war that was a total waste in every measurable way.

If there is ever a reunion of the 6/31st again..or any outfit that served like we did .. the government should make it their obligation that the battalion flag shows up for the event out of respect for those who served. But... fat chance.
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Re: The actual Battalion Flag

Postby Niner Alpha » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:02 am

And.... nothing more has happened as far as getting information.

I think it' is really lost in some government storage some place.....or it no longer exists. Guess I'll never know. But... maybe I'm the only one that remains that is curious what happened to it.

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