Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

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Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Alpha » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:09 pm

I has posted about this in another string that probably few people read because of the topic. However, I see some interest on the internet of the awards that were awarded as unit awards. Now...if you want them... you will have to pay for them. But, if you are interested I post it again with a suitable title to the post.


Here is a link to an official government pamplet:

http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/P672_3.pdf


6th Battalion

Valorous Unit Award

6–12 May 68, DAGO 43, 70
5–12 May 70, DAGO 48, 71

RVN Gallantry Cross w/Palm (ribbon only)

1 Dec 66–30 Jun 68, DAGO 31, 69
1 Jul–13 Nov 68, DAGO 31,69
Jan–Jun 69, DAGO 59, 69
29 Jul 69–20 Jul 70, DAGO 55, 71

RVN Civil Actions Honor Medal, First Class Color, with Palm (ribbon only)

19 Dec 66–28 Jun 69, DAGO 59, 69
26 Jul 69–20 Jul 70, DAGO 59, 69

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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Alpha » Sun Mar 30, 2014 6:14 pm

I also posted this a a follow up:

I was bored...so I went looking to see what I could find out about these "awards". And I made a picture for your education and enjoyment.

That Civil Action 1st Class with a palm.....but no side of fries....., for some reason, should only be worn as a bar ribbon and no actual medal...unless awarded specifically to an individual. Seems like what we used to call Indian Giving. And, if an officer got one as an individual it was a number one...First Class.. and if an enlisted man got one as an individual he got a number two... Second Class.

That pretty red one with no medal says we all were heroes...but only regular heroes. If we were first class heroes we would have been awarded a Presidential citation which would have meant we were super heroes ...I guess.

That one in the middle is a Vietnamese at-a-boy issued to military of all kinds as well as civilians they liked as well. Anybody wants one always had to buy it. And... it goes without saying how the government that was happy to see us then turned out after we left. The ironic thing is that if you were to buy one today it would as likely as not be made by the victorious other side in recent times and gladly sold in an oddly capitalist way to their former enemy.

FO teams 2/4th arty were the same. D battery was our battery:

4th Artillery
2d Battalion
Valorous Unit Award—6–12 May 68, DAGO 43, 70
RVN Gallantry Cross w/Palm—1 Dec 66–30 Jun 68, DAGO 31, 69
1 Jul–13 Nov 68 DAGO 31,69; Jan–Jun 69, DAGO 59, 69; 29 Jul
69–20 Jul 70, DAGO 55, 71
RVN Civil Actions Honor Medal, FC—19 Dec 66–28 Jun 69,
DAGO 59, 69 26 Jul 69–20 Jul 70, DAGO 55, 71
Battery D
Valorous Unit Award—5–12 May 70, DAGO 48, 71

1/11th Arty which was the earlier support battery is the same according to Vern Weed who looked it up.
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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Delta » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:07 pm

Very similar except no Valorous Unit Awards, but one Presidential Unit Citation 7 Mar-22 Jun 68.

I have checked and the only battery in 1/11 Arty that I can find is C Btry, the one I was in, can find no
reference to A or B Btry. And 1/11th isn't mentioned in any other Division I can find. What about other
btrys of the 2/4th, have you found any mention of them?

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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Alpha » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:27 pm

Other batteries in the 2/4th or the 1/11th would support other battalions than the 6/31st. But...they would have been in the 9th Division. If I'm bored ...really bored... I'll go see if I can find any information about them.

The one time Alpha FO and Delta FDO at the end of 1969 went on to be a battery commander in another battery of the 2/4th. He comes to the chats fairly regular. If he shows up tomorrow night I'll ask him if he has any idea
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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Delta » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:15 pm

http://books.google.com/books?id=aUg2zQ ... am&f=false



Finally found on this site the pages in a book that says the 1/11th had a similar number of men as the battalions that
had 3 batteries, 2/11th, 6/11th, and 7/11th that were in other divisions.
But still can't find any info on A or B batteries of the 1/11th.
I just don't remember anything about them.

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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Alpha » Wed Apr 02, 2014 8:27 pm

Look at page 10 of the link I posted. I think this pretty much covers it for the 2/4th

4th Artillery
2d Battalion
Valorous Unit Award—6–12 May 68, DAGO 43, 70
RVN Gallantry Cross w/Palm—1 Dec 66–30 Jun 68, DAGO 31, 69
1 Jul–13 Nov 68 DAGO 31,69; Jan–Jun 69, DAGO 59, 69; 29 Jul
69–20 Jul 70, DAGO 55, 71
RVN Civil Actions Honor Medal, FC—19 Dec 66–28 Jun 69,
DAGO 59, 69 26 Jul 69–20 Jul 70, DAGO 55, 71
Battery D
Valorous Unit Award—5–12 May 70, DAGO 48, 71


1/11 page 20

11th Artillery
1st Battalion
Presidential Unit Citation—7 Mar–22 Jun 68, DAGO 60, 69
RVN Gallantry Cross w/Palm—1 Dec 66–30 Jun 68, DAGO 31, 69;
Jan–Jun 69, DAGO 59, 69
RVN Civil Actions Honor Medal, FC—19 Dec 66–28 Jun 69,
DAGO 59, 69


Looks like you are a super hero, Vern. Presidential Unit Citation.
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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Delta » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:06 pm

Presidential Unit Citation—7 Mar–22 Jun 68, DAGO 60, 69

Too bad that date was 6 months before I got there in Dec 68.............. :(




And you don't get a RVN Gallantry Cross w/Palm if you were there between 1 July 68 and 31 Dec 68,
I guess they waited for 6 months for me to get there to be gallant again.................. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Alpha » Wed Apr 02, 2014 10:43 pm

Well.... I know you are not going to lose sleep over it. :cry:

Just looked up DAGO. I thought it was some ethnic slur. " Department of the Army General Orders"
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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Charlie Salisbury » Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:25 am

Geez, remember all the CA"S we did? We had more than 1 Air Medal, that is for sure, some days we made 4 to 5 looking for trouble. Only big shot Officers got the real goodies.
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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Alpha » Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:33 am

Yep, Charlie, getting an air medal.....if the platoon leader and the clerk were doing their job...was no problem. Some guys did get oak leaf clusters to their first one. I've seen evidence of guys getting multiple awards. My air medal certificate is dated from February to April. It was the only one I ever got. And I didn't get out of the 9th until the pull out in September.

I noticed a 3/506 facebook site that started up recently. The 3/506 was in the 101st and where I went for my last couple of months in Vietnam. Guy was complaining about not getting his air medal at the end of his tour. The answer might have been that he hadn't made enough insertions by air. At the time I got to them, the 3/506 would be inserted into a time on target cleared mountain top some place in the A Shau and then they would hump about three times as much gear as we ever carried around in the woods for three weeks at a time and then be extracted for a few days of stand down. Depending on operations, an infantryman may not have gotten the 25 or so air insertions needed for the air medal requirement. But...me ... at the time was out of the field and working with the LNO clearing grids for fire in the infantry battalion AO. The only air time I had was flying from one firebase to another.

Flying from one firebase to the next counted towards an air medal if someone was keeping the clock time. I knew a commo Captain that worked on getting one in the 101st that way. Don't remember what the total hours in the air time was for the medal. Maybe it was something like one hour equals one insertion and somebody had to be vouching and recording.
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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Delta » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:54 pm

I don't have any copy of orders, but an "Air Medal" is listed with the other medals on my DD214.
And on the other hand, I have copies of orders for 3 ArComs, and only one listed on my DD214,
because they have my Social Security number wrong on 2 of the orders. They listed both SS number
and Army serial number on the orders, the serial numbers were correct.

And I have this book, if you want anything looked up.........

https://books.google.com/books?id=aUg2z ... kQ6AEIKDAA


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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Charlie Salisbury » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:09 pm

You know, I did get another Air Medal from the 1st. Cav. and you are so right about humping up north! I did not like the jungle, we walked right into them many times. I carried so much weight, I had to put my 16 on the ground and use it to help me to stand up. Carried 10 quarts of water, about 25- 30 mags, 5 grenades 2 smoke claymore, bed roll, half a shelter, food for 4 days, ammo box to keep writing material, etc. hell I can't remember everything. The Cav was big on 2 m-60's per squad, so you had 1-2 extra belts of ammo. Man when the column stopped going I had to put the butt of the 16 down to help me stand there. One thing I did like, we always had support, arty, fac, gunships. We would stay out 23- 25 days, one firebase guard during the month. what I really did not like was getting into it with the NVA all the time. Man, I hope I did not make someone mad, did not mean to rattle on!
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Re: Awards that weren't actually awarded but entitled to buy

Postby Niner Alpha » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:25 pm

Charlie...wish more people would "rattle on". This site could use some posting traffic in the worst way.

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